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rsbrown67
10-07-2012, 12:22 PM
I am reaching out to anyone who has a PFC (Power Flo Blower) for grass and leaves attached to their 60" Commercial Deck for a JD425/445 or 455. I believe that I identified just about all of the hardware required to attach the power flo unit to my deck, yet I have just a few questions:

Question#1: Are there 2 physical connections that the blower must make to the deck? I understand that the connection closest to the front of the deck is a post bracket, JD Part# AM118913, yet there appears to be a clip/clamp at the rear underside of he PFC Blower that needs to attach to the rear of the chute opening of deck, or attach close to where the belt would run to the added 2nd pulley. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could advise if a secondary piece of hardware needs to be added to my deck to mate with this clip on the blower.

Question #2: There is both a deck shield support bar (JD Part#: M117221) as well as a plastic deck shield (Jd Part#: M114476) that are recommended in the schematic drawing on JDParts.com for this PF w/ 60" deck set-up. Is the deck shield support bar and deck shield really necessary for correct operation, or are they simply offered to cover up the pulley and belt - (for safety reasons)?

Lastly, is anyone who has this set-up, willing to part with and sell all of the required hardware to accomplish the task above? If so, I'd be willing to purchase this from you, as you may no longer have a need for these items?

If anyone has pictures of their deck set-up as it relates to question #1, I'd certainly appreciate seeing them. I've scoured the net for pictures, yet cannot locate any. My email address is [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) or post in thread?

I've uploaded a picture from installation manual posted online, yet I have no idea what this is referring to per my own deck inspection
Thanks,Rob
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See link below for more details:
http://manuals.deere.com/cceomview/OMM145954_B1/Output/OMM145954_B16.html[/URL]

vbosch
10-07-2012, 01:07 PM
Rob, The powerflow blower attaches to the tab with a slot in it just in front of the rear deck wheel. No other attaching hardware is needed, other than the post you already have.

rsbrown67
10-08-2012, 10:23 AM
Thanks for your response Randy. Do you have this set-up? Perhaps my deck has been welded over in that location as there are no visible openings or slots located on my deck or deck outbound chute in front of the rear wheel.

Just to make sure I am not going insane here, so would you be able to take a picture of your set-up or at least the slot in your deck? (again assuming that you have this set-up)?

The tab or-lock tab that fits into this "slot" from the blower will rotate a bit off it's axis and is attached to a spring, so I am assuming that mechanically it may also affect the blower if it is not in the right position? Are you aware of what function this may have other than just holding the rear of the blower unit secure against the deck?

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In the above diagram of the 60" deck from jdparts.com I noticed that to the left of #45 at the bottom of the back of the deck chute, there appears to be a slight bend in the bottom of the deck that angles up, closest to the rear wheel and there appears to be an opening (hole) at that location in the deck! Is this where it should mount, as if so, I don't have this lifted portion of deck.

rsbrown67
10-08-2012, 10:28 AM
Here is a picture of the back of my chute and deck (below), and a 2nd picture of the clip coming out of the bottom (back) of the blower.
https://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/60944/220542.jpghttps://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/60944/220543.jpg

vbosch
10-08-2012, 05:59 PM
Rob, Your deck is missing the tab I'm talking about. See attached picture.
https://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/60944/220645.jpg

rsbrown67
10-09-2012, 06:48 AM
Thanks VERY much Randy - this certainly helps a lot! Off to JD now to see if this can be purchased.....

rsbrown67
12-31-2012, 10:38 PM
Just to close off on this issue, it appears that this tab cannot be purchased from JD. I'll have to rig-up something on my own!

rsbrown67
08-10-2013, 11:03 AM
Quick Update (for those who may encounter the same issue in the future).....

The tab CAN in fact be purchased through JDParts.... I was able to pick one up a month ago and my JD455-(AWS) & MC519 Cart are working like a charm.....about $350.00 (total in hardware) to add a pulley, and attach the blower and MC519 to the 455! Well worth the $'s and effort in the end. I can't wait for the fall leaves! https://www.wfmachines.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

kilmer31
02-15-2015, 10:52 PM
Been out plowing snow. Noticed the idler pulley is starting to rub the transaxle pulley! New belts on this machine and is driving good. Do I need to replace the springs? They have never been replaced. Thanks.

Lee

woodpecker41
02-16-2015, 08:43 AM
Could be springs but more likely the bushing or the bolt it pivots on could be bad or loose. Roger

kilmer31
02-16-2015, 10:05 AM
I bet your right Roger. Its pretty sloppy. Thanks.

Lee

sreynolds
02-17-2015, 11:58 AM
I just cannot picture this.
Do you mean to say the ARM for the idler is moving off center and rubbing on the transaxle drive pulley?

kilmer31
02-17-2015, 12:39 PM
Scott. The tensioner pulley is rubbing on the transaxle pulley. Like Roger said, it sounds as if the bushing or bolt is worn.

Lee

woodpecker41
02-17-2015, 02:39 PM
Scott the pulleys are very close to rubbing from the factory. Because the idler when the bushing or bolt holding it wears and allow movement side to side the pulleys can touch. Roger

johndeereguy37
02-17-2015, 03:13 PM
I have a parts tractor at home that does this, except the bolt that holds the tensioner pulley is so work that it has so much side to side play that it will throw the belt off. I'll probably fix this over spring break.

sreynolds
02-17-2015, 03:44 PM
Hummmmm

OK then. I have two 212's and I have replaced just about every item on these and sometimes three times. I remember the tensioner idler is quite a ways from the drive pulley. The only manner in which I can get them to contact, is to remove the belt.

woodpecker41
02-17-2015, 05:38 PM
Scott with the variator all the way back it gets very close. All the way forward you are right it isn't very close. If the belt is worn/stretched/or the wrong one or the variator is out of adjustment the belt gets even closer. Roger

kilmer31
02-17-2015, 07:50 PM
Roger. Do you know the best way to go about replacing that bolt and bushing. Looks like removing the wheel would be the best. I can always machine a bushing at work if I don't have something on hand already. Thanks to all.

Lee

sreynolds
02-17-2015, 09:15 PM
The hole in that arm wears out too. Deere has all the items required.

kilmer31
02-17-2015, 09:26 PM
Thanks Scott.

Lee

aartwmich
02-18-2015, 05:41 AM
I just replaced these, you can buy the bushing half of the idler arm and the shoulder bolt...price was reasonable.

kilmer31
02-18-2015, 12:16 PM
Thanks Anne. What is the easiest way of getting to it? I have a cab so taking off the fender pan isn't an option.

Lee

woodpecker41
02-18-2015, 03:40 PM
Lee you can do it from underneath. If you remove 2 or the 3 bolts on the transmission pulley you can get it out of the way. It is easier to take the rear drive belt off and removing the bolts helps with that. Next remove the idler spring. Then just remove the bolt and bushing out of the tranmission on the idler assembly. Put in the new parts and reverse the order to put it back together. You might have more room it you remove the right rear wheel. Roger

sreynolds
02-18-2015, 03:40 PM
Rhut Rho.....

Yea. A wheel removal I guess. I always do the fender pan route for any maint. under there.

kilmer31
02-18-2015, 05:50 PM
Thanks WFM. Ive had the transaxle sheave off just the other night. I wish I had some sort of lift other than a floor jack. I guess I shouldn't complain. There are a lot of other people that aren't as fortunate, but Ive crawled around in the snow many times myself! Stay warm. There squawking -20 Thursday night here!

Lee

sreynolds
02-18-2015, 07:39 PM
Yep. Same here in Mansfield. But the 212"s are resting peaceful like. They both decided to take the winter off this year.

kilmer31
02-18-2015, 11:02 PM
Just got done doing four drives with my blade. Cant wait to get my blower up again. There is no better way than a snow thrower in my mind.

Lee.

aartwmich
02-19-2015, 06:15 AM
I had the fender pan off when I did the idler arm.

Have changed the belts from below tho-was not fun. Would put it up on a block and remove rear wheel if(when?) I had to do it again.

kilmer31
02-22-2015, 11:21 AM
Does anyone have the bushing piece and shoulder bolt part number that Anne is talking about? I looked it up but cant find those parts. Thanks

Lee

inspired_metal
02-22-2015, 12:47 PM
Lee,
If you look in the other 214 Variator post youll see that Tommy hawk posted a pic of the idler. Part number 14 is the bushing. There is another at the back that is replaceable too. Look it up on jdparts.com and youll find the part numbers.
Dom

kilmer31
02-22-2015, 06:15 PM
Thanks Dom, but I don't think that there is a bushing in my machine but I may be wrong. I found a major issue today being that three bolts were missing from the right side by the transaxle!!! Kind of embarrassed about that. Now that's fixed. The upper part of the tensioner arm seems to be one piece. No bushing. Does that sound correct? Thanks.

Lee

sreynolds
02-22-2015, 06:39 PM
Right. On my 212's the pivot bolt it tightened into the case. The arm pivots on that. There is nothing else.

woodpecker41
02-22-2015, 06:44 PM
Lee it should be a 2 piece arm. The earlier 1 piece arm will fit though. What color transmission is in the tractor. It almost sounds like the transmission has been replaced. You must have a bushing or the the arm would not pivot. The bolt tightens against the bushing leaving the arm a bit loose allowing the arm to pivot. Your tractor sounds like it has had some farmer repairs done to it. I am not trying to be negative towards farmers but that is what we called the wrong quick repairs when I worked at a JD dealer.

aartwmich
02-23-2015, 06:52 AM
From what I see on the arms I have, there's not a real 'bushing' per say.
Just a boss on the arm with a machined bore in it that the shoulder bolt goes thru and into the transaxle.

In my mind, a bushing is usually a softer metal wear part, often bronze or brass, pressed into another part.

woodpecker41
02-23-2015, 08:40 AM
Anne you are correct the bolt is a special shoulder bolt. I used to run into tractors where that shoulder bolt was replaced with a regular bolt and a bushing. Again farmer repairs. Roger

kilmer31
02-23-2015, 10:05 AM
Mine is as Anne described.

aartwmich
02-24-2015, 07:30 AM
Special in that it has a shallow hex head. I actually had an allen head shoulder bolt the right diameter and length, got lucky to have the head turned down to clear the trans pulley, but the boss bore was too worn so had to get a new arm half and the OE shoulder bolt anyway.

tommyhawk
02-24-2015, 08:54 AM
Ref. from JD parts.

Early style

https://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/17/310495.jpg

Later style


https://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/17/310496.jpg


tommyhawk

kilmer31
02-24-2015, 10:11 AM
That's it Tom. Numbers 8 and 10. Thanks to everyone!

Lee