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    New to hyrdo's, a question or several

    Good afternoon all,

    New to the hydro's, have a 69 140 H1 that I am re-assembling, bought it kind of in pieces. Mostly the engine in pieces, at any rate.

    All my others are gear drives, which I love!

    What are the differences between the early and late 140's?

    Always wanted one, mostly for a kwik-way loader that I have.

    I have a Case 222 which is a hydraulic drive, which is a good machine as well.

    Wish this one was an H3, but sometimes you get what you get. I don't have a 3 pt or front blade anyway, so it was just be fancy for the sake of fancy...

    Thanks in advance,

    Doc in Bellevue NE

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    Big difference between the old and newer 140's is the rear ends. IIRC the frame is a bit different in the rear as well.

    You can make an H1 in to an H3 with levers, valve and lines. If you are so inclined.

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    Yea, the earlier 140's had a different rear end and smaller front spindles than the later ones. The later rear ends can be repaired, not so for the earlier ones.

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    Thanks for the input... I pulled the rear end out this afternoon, have a shop that rebuilds these, if I am going to do it may as well do it all the way.

    Question about rear rims, the center of mine are completely flat. Any significance to those? I thought they all looked like the rims on my 110.

    Anway, that rear end is a heavy item!

    Enjoying the nice weather in Omaha!

    Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by plainsman61 View Post
    Thanks for the input... I pulled the rear end out this afternoon, have a shop that rebuilds these, if I am going to do it may as well do it all the way.

    Question about rear rims, the center of mine are completely flat. Any significance to those? I thought they all looked like the rims on my 110.

    Anway, that rear end is a heavy item!

    Enjoying the nice weather in Omaha!

    Doc
    The flat center rims were used when Deere's usual rim supplier left for a bit. Flat centers are somewhat prone to cracking when putting stress on them, the middle twists independent of the outside of the tire, which cracks them.

    The really only thing that is shared between an early and later 140 is the engine, fuel tank, battery tray, rear tires, brake pedals, and the front plate and couplers. Pretty much everything else is different.

    The rear end of an early 140 is a Sunstrand 15U model 90, it's the same setup as the later model 91 pumps but the charge pump is internal and it's an external gear pump instead of a rotor pump. The later rear ends are a Dana 35, I do believe. Still bulletproof.
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    How large is the hole where the levers go through to the valve? Would an older h2 from a 300 work on a 140?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyrod43050 View Post
    How large is the hole where the levers go through to the valve? Would an older h2 from a 300 work on a 140?
    Yes it will! I did the swap on my 140 H1 and the only issue is that on an early 140 you need to change around a couple fittings and rebend a few lines, but nothing impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudrig150 View Post
    Yes it will! I did the swap on my 140 H1 and the only issue is that on an early 140 you need to change around a couple fittings and rebend a few lines, but nothing impossible.

    Good to know. I was looking at pics the other day and the early 2 handle did look like it would work.

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    I have 1970 H1 140. I picked up an H3 setup that I am planning on putting on it. I have a 77 H2 300 and yes that will work on the 140 also as said above.

    Good luck with it they are a great tractor. If you are putting a loader on it I would suggest putting these on the front spindles for easier turning.

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