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300 “type f atf” or hy-gard?

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My 300 has atf in the hydro, and I would like to change the fluid and filter, but the type f atf is hard to find and pricey. How hard is it to switch over to hy-gard? How thoroughly does it need flushed? How do I flush it?
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I would suggest changing the fluid, running the tractor for a few hours, then drain and refill.
Depending on how many hours are on the existing filter, you probably could leave it in place for the initial refill.
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I would suggest the same thing dale did, flush it with TSC brand clear hydro fluid, change the filter and put hy-guard in it.
Is type F atf actually more expensive than hy-gard?
You can also use any hydraulic oil that meets the J20C standard. Walmart sells 2 gallons for $36.
I could be wrong, but I don't think any special flush procedure is actually necessary unless the fluid is just that dirty. It's a tractor, not an automatic transmission in an import car.
My 317 also had ATF in it, I switched it out for generic hy gard and will change it to Hy Gard (probably Low vis as regular is pretty thick when cold) sometime this year.
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I think for now I will just change the filter and top off with the atf.
Type f is readily available from Walmart for cheap.
Super Tech Type F Automatic Transmission Fluid, 1 Quart
Robot or human?
You can get Type F at Fleet farm too.
$32 for a gal of Hy-guard from Deere Country. I bought a gal yesterday.
I have used the F fluid and I ended up with leaking "free wheel" ports. I put the Hy-guard in and it stopped.
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Hmm, it would appear my free wheel valves are leaking. Did you use Low viscosity hy-gard?
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I use hygard regular viscosity but my freewheel valves still get a little wet.
I would suggest to first talk with your local John Deere dealer Service Department for any current/updated information on fluids. If that isn't a possibility, follow the appropriate Operator's Manual recommendation. Due to the age of the equipment we are talking about and the operating clearances of the hydrostatic transmission and/or steering control valve, I always use the OM recommended fluid that is within the temperature range of the majority of the time I operate the unit.

I would also like to mention that the service interval for changing the fluid is very important, especially if the unit has been sitting for an extended period of time like a lot of the tractor "finds" talked about on this site usually are. At the risk of being banded from this forum for showing a non-John Deere tractor photo (this was all well before my 332 affliction started), see the attached photo of a 1650 Cub Cadet rear end I serviced several years ago. The tractor had probably been sitting at least 15 to 20 years when I brought it home. Note: Don't open the photo if you have a weak stomach. To change hydraulic fluid in most older Cadets, you remove the rear cover. The lumpy stuff in the photo was hydraulic fluid that had turned into basically jelly. That era of Cadets use Hy-Tran for the transmission fluid. Cadets use a variant of the same hydro that Deere hydrostats of the era use. Had I not taken the rear cover off and only changed the fluid and filter, I probably would have failed the hydro in a short time after service, or at least plugged the hydro filter. Why? Well Hy-Tran is designed to suspend a certain amount of water. Without a thorough cleaning of the rear end before fresh Hy-Tran is installed, it will "do it's job" and try to clean the system up until it is saturated with water again. BTY- it took a couple of cans of BrakeKlean, a roll of paper shop towels and my air compressor to get things cleaned up. I also took the suction line off to the hydro charge pump and cleaned it out too.
After getting the ol girl back together it ran just fine. After running it a year it, again, got new hydro fluid and filter.
So the moral to my story is: Always check with the dealer service folks on what they use when servicing your make/model/year of equipment as they should know and wouldn't use something that would result in a "come back" to the dealership if it failed/caused a problem.
Secondly, just changing the fluid and filter once may not cut it, especially if the unit has been setting for an extended period of time.

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I've gone back and forth in my tractor without much care...drain and fill.

From 250 hours to 1200 hours and it's still going strong. I wouldn't worry too much about the "mixing" of the fluids personally. .
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I was told years ago that type f is nothing more than 10w hydraulic fluid with dye and anti foaming additive. I wouldn’t be worried about the little bit that is left if you’re wanting to swap to another type. The dyed fluid would make a leak easier to determine what source it is coming from.
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I was told years ago that type f is nothing more than 10w hydraulic fluid with dye and anti foaming additive. I wouldn’t be worried about the little bit that is left if you’re wanting to swap to another type. The dyed fluid would make a leak easier to determine what source it is coming from.
That's my basic understanding as well. It's got a lack of friction modifiers I believe which is why it will cause some new auto transmissions to chatter and also why performance guys use it.

The hydro system in the tractors really just need a good, clean, hydraulic rated fluid. Keeping it clean is the most important thing for the system.
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That's my basic understanding as well. It's got a lack of friction modifiers I believe which is why it will cause some new auto transmissions to chatter and also why performance guys use it.
Really I thought it was the other way around That it had friction modifiers in it to make it "grippier" but I guess that makes sense too.

Man 40 years of wrong thinking. :unsure:

All I know is that a Mopar 727 shifts and grips better with type F. ;)

But in a JD I choose the Hy-Guard.
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So if I choose Hy-Gard should I use regular or low-viscosity?
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Low-viscosity, as in the specs.
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