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Hi all, Iam looking at a 318 with 1163 hours and was wondering how many hours on aveage can you get on a well maintaned 318 befor problems. The tractors at a dealer and thier asking 2.600. with deck trailer bagger and s blower. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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It could last for another 2000 hours or it could blow up on you loading it on the trailer Lou. Now saying that I have almost 1500 hours on mine and crossings fingers here going strong still. Also remember these are older machines we keep trying to use so don't expect not to work on them to keep them going....... Gary
 

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I have heard of some blowing up after 800 hours and lasting to 1500+ hours. Obviously maintenance makes a difference and you may never know for sure if it has been rebuilt at some point or another. I estimated once that our 316 Onan has around 1000 hours, but who knows as it never had an hour meter on it. We add another 6 hours every time we mow with it. That is until recently it just quit. (I believe electrical issue.)
 

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This is an age old discussion that has much controversy over : No Maintenance …. Hi-Maintence …… Mine I felt had Hi-maintenane and Let go after just over 1200hrs (we are the original owners since brand new) on its P218 …… It appears that most all (that i've read about) Have failed due to the exact same reason …. Piston rod failure, AND most always the same cylinder ??? …. Go figure
As far as I have mostly read here that there has never or rarely ever a Documented Case of Reaching more than ~1500 hrs …. it appears that its not a matter of "IF" but more of a "WHEN" its going to Happen ………. JMHO ….GK
 

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To many hours and to high priced. At 1200 hours its due for something and a overhaul of a 318 is not cheap. If you have to pay someone to rebuild or replace with a long block you could be looking at $1,800. You really have no way of knowing if the cooling fins were kept clean and oil/filter changes with the correct oil.
At that price its not going to fly off his lot.
 

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Gary, last job I was on, was a industrial low temp refrigeration system, X-ray welds, used a Miller legend, Onan with 2300 on the clock ran like it was new yesterday, ran 10 hours each day, 6 days a week, for 6 weeks, finished the job up and sent it off to the next job, thing was unbreakable, go figure! why cant they hold up in JD's to those standards, its not the engine, its the application.
 

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Mick I totally agree …. I by no means am mocking the onans in a whole …. I knew many through the summer Resort we owned that the Onan gennies were unbeatable …. they too were in a unit built and installed in totally enclosed area (motor homes in particular) …never seen or heard of one that failed …. They WERE considered the Cadillacs of the industry …. What ever went wrong in a JD installation is beyond us Mick !!! …… I also worked with the Miller Bobcat 250amp Welders c/w Onan power, on a few sites … always reliable, there were a few runability issues (mostly in the fuel system, like the carbs and fuel pumps) BUT NEVER known to see one Blow a rod …
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Mike that must of been a ammonia job?

I think Onan engine is great for welders and generators stationary applications, but put them in a mower or tractor that seems to be the problem. Air flow, grass clippings in the fins, un-even mowing (hills) surface, wrong oil or not enough? Who knows?
 

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I don't know how true it is, but someone on the site mentioned that the round rubber seal that goes around the oil filter was the reason for the short life of the onan engine, if it was not in place where it belongs.
Supposedly it helps the head on that side of the engine to run much cooler and last longer.
The seal falls off and most people never replace it thinking it is not needed.
Lou, the 2600 sounds like too much to me, but it is being sold by a dealer. Everything would have to be in like new condition with a warranty from the dealer for me to consider that price. But then 2600 is a lot of money to me, others it may not be.
 

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Lou,

Don't think there really is any type of average accurate (lasting before repair) hrs. on a JD 318 to go by.
1163 hrs. on an Onan engine can/may be a big concern, OR, maybe not. When getting one of these types of machines you have to commit to replace/repair/work/expense at times because of their age & prior use.

If you decide to purchase - it'll be like as stated: be lucky & a JD 318 L&G Tractor with the original Onan engine may be OK for a long while, or may puke the day you take it home. Hard to guess - too many variables, things to consider. A crapshoot per se.

"deck trailer bagger" - Meaning one of those tow-behind MC519 things? They're pretty neat & the two I've seen on the job work well.
"s blower" - meaning a tractor mounted snow thrower? Those two attachments aren't cheap at all either if in good condition.

$2600.00? Need more info.

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I bought a 318 last spring from the original owner with 2100+ hours on a working meter. He changed the oil every 25 hours and cleaned the heads at 1000 hours. It runs strong with only a puff of smoke at startup. It has loads of power and runs fantastic.

I paid $2800 for the tractor with 3-point, 50" deck, soft-sided cab, 49 blower, and 54 4-way blade. Most 318s, (with deck only), around here go for $1500-$2000.
 

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why cant they hold up in JD's to those standards, its not the engine, its the application.

Hello Mick
I Mildly disagree here, I feel it is the owner Not the application. The single most Important thing a guy can do to Extend the life span of his Onan is Place John Lang's firewall Insulation Kit. Do you Guy's Think that John Deere would have Placed one to begin with if they were not Critical to the long life of an Onan ? If the firewall Insualtion is Missing on our 318's Most of us are Far Too Lazy to Pull the engine to Place a new one there, I feel the issue with the glue strip's letting the original insualtion Fail as it seemed to fall off of the fire wall of these Tractor's is what Triggered Most Pre-Mature failed engine's in these 316's and 318's. Witha Good Fire wall Insulation package in Place They will Certainly direct all of the blower fin's Cooling air out the front of the Tractor allowing for a Much cooler engine, as most of us have the common sense to Know that Air cooled Engine High heat level's Eventually Kill's the Internal Part's of these air cooled engine think about it ? and if only conventional engine oil is used in these engines it will break down from Thermal Over Load and High engine Heat, I don't care who makes it this happens with High heat period. Another Huge Hinderance is that John Deere has smothered these Onan's Up By Placing the side engine panels' on them,






Think about it Guy's, Miller welder's run forever it seems with the same engine and they do not have any engine side panels on those, they are wide Open to the element's. Dirt & Grass do not help either and most Owner's are far Too Lazy to keep their cooling fin's clear or clean their Belly screens Often enough, most finish Mowing and Put the Tractor to bed being filthy and full of Dirt which Kills an engine over the Long Haul. I wash my Restored 1983-John Deere 318 ever other time that I mow Two acre's of Grass with it, and the belly screen always has dirt and dust built up in it along with the rest of the Tractor. I also Run Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic engine oil and have the Oil filter gasket in Place, these are Very Important thing's In keeping an Onan running Longer that don't Take Much thought. Think about it, These Mowing decks generate a Lot of dirt and dust with the Onan running wide open in most cases that get's sucked Directly into the cooling fin's of the flywheel and sent over the Head cooling fin's as well as get's Driven right into the air breather Fresh air intake tube. Clean the Pre-filter often, Keep the belly screen and cooling fin's clean , as well as the head cooling fin's and Make certain that you have a Good fire wall Insulation package and your Onan will run as long as the Miller welder's do. We as owner's tend to Blame our Onan's for Expiring Early, but given the fact's that I have provided here it is NOT The engine's Fault, it is all on US Not Taking care of our equipment. I laid out a Hard earned $1500.00 for my Onan P-218 when I restored my 1983 John Deere 318 Three Year's ago Therfore I will do everything that I can on my Part to keep it running for the Long Haul. Sorry to be Rude here Guy's but in my eye's there is Not One thing Wrong with these Onan's making the Long Haul it's ALL On the owner's of them being Just Plain LAZY and Not taking Proper Good care of their Onan's....If Ya'll Think about what I said here I am sure you can not disagree with me on this, Buying anything Used is always'a Gamble in Life no matter what it is if the previous Owner was Lazy or Just Simply did Not care Period, Buyer Beware.... Regards, Kurt
 

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Well with all due respect Kurt, when the Onan engine lasts much longer in stationary equipment and fails in the John Deere equipment something tells me its the JD engineering or a design fault. Even if you keep the grass screen underneath clean there are other issues.
They knew going into this it was going to have airflow problems. AS I recall the oil filter gasket was a afterthought put on a couple years after the OEM design. I also agree that putting on the tight fitted covers was another bad design choice.
Having a firewall insulation with a bad glue was another screw up. What I can't understand why did they not use just a rubber like gasket seal instead of fiberglass to seal the air flow source.
The Onan in the 318 was a good choice, the design for air flow was not. Taking the primary source for cooling air from Under the machine where dirt and grass clippings are present was not even common sense.
 

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A lot of info here to prosses, thamks. Im just getting back into these tractors after being out of it for a few years. The difference now is I actualy now use my tractors on our 5 acres of land. I forgot to mention the dealer is selling the 318 for a customer on consignment and is offering no warreny. So Im not jumping into anything on the other hand these older tractors for work have a lot more power touk and strenth compared to the new plastic , sheet metal ect ect tractors. They are good in thier application but nothing more. To do what a 300 series deere can do you would have to get into a compact tractor . Just my opynon . I presently have a 316 onan and with my 54 plow on it , no chains can push logs in the woods and small trees with little effort. The dealer himself told me I couldent do that with a newer tractor. I think the x 540 to 700 replaces a 318.
Iam also considering a 314 to ad as a spare, the kohler is a lot easer to work on then the onan. easer to replace the starter, ect. The starter just went on my 316 , I have no way to pull the engine at this time so I had to go to the dealer witch hit the cash flow a little hare lol, but had to do it.
Thanks for the info,, .
 

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Kurt is right,the owner is the variable, as Bill points out the application is not ideal, the Onan can give long service but it will need as Kurt also points out, owner care to achieve its life expectancy, The air flow is the key here, the Millers are out in the open, plenty of air flow and no crud being sucked in the cooling system, The failure of the Onans is after a protracted length of service, that would see other yard equipment in the scrap yard years earlier, at which point they tend to get neglected as the shine has long since worn off, we all agree looked after an Onan will last longer than most. I got my 318 solely for the reason that the Onan was in there
 

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Yes the owners have a lot to blame. But you can't compare stationary to something like L&G tractor. Same thing with large industrial engines CAT used in the field to pump gas from the wells. They ran forever compared to the same engine in a dozer. The dozer is going on different inclines, gets jarred around and is in more of a dusty invironment as well as start/stop and idle vs WOT. Engines don't like change as much. They like one RPM with all the cooling systems/fuel, etc designed around that RPM and not starting/stopping/changing RPM.

As far as buying the 318-see if it starts good both cold and warm and how much it smokes cold and warm. Smell the oil and see if it smells burned. See if the cooling fins what you can see look plugged or what general shape it is in. Everything used has some risk to it. But I find used often is the better deal vs new as you can repair a bad machine to new like standards cheaper then buying new.
 

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All in all for the Onan engine to survive as long as it did in the JD tractors even with poor air flow design speaks well of the engine. But to blame owners for all the engine failures is not fair. Some owners took good care of their tractors and still had problems.
 

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I doubt most owners took off the engine tins and washed out the crud on the fins.
 

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Sorry Kurt ! …… But I feel the Same way as Bill …

I am Starting to take PERSONAL Insult to your suggestions as to TOTAL Owner Neglect !

You Have NOT owned one of these Great JD Onan powered GT's since Brand NEW ……. (If you have I Take that Back)

I/WE Have !!! … and I don't think too many JD owners Here on WFM can post this, some Yes but not the Majority ….. AND Mine was/is still maintained at very High Level of Maintenance, during the season and at the end even tho it has now been Re-powered ….. this season I could hardly wait to the next weeks mowing duration of 4-5 acres ….

But as posted above if the Onan engine lasts longer in a Welder or Gen-set "Where it is" in a totally enclosed environment YES in a lot of the Miller, Hobart, Lincoln Welders Too ….. MAYBE Just Maybe its NOT the Cooling or the Dirt OR ??? ……MAYBE it has to do with that those units are most Always sitting Level ??? ….as in motor homes or trailers or on the back of a welding trucks deck … I know I have Never run my Welder on an off Grade in the last 30 years using it as a backup 10kw power unit up to 50hrs non stop continuous running or welding all day only stopping for lunch …. with one of those so called Bad Magnum 20hp Kohlers …..

Eg: …. A friend of mine has had a Honda GS 1100 Interceptor since it was Brand new in '86 …… That engine has had an extreme problem with Rod Bearing, Timing Chain, Lifter Failures as in the Rod Bearings in the Onans ….. this was a mystery for years …. Honda Warranted them for a long time …. BUT the Same Motorcycles in Japan NEVER Failed ??? ….. Along came a guy that looked at the BIG picture of what was going On ….. They FOUND that it was the problem of where the Kick-Stand was mounted !!!!

In Japan they drive on the Left side … WE drive on the Right side of the Road ! …… Well! you ask what has a Kick stand got to do with this ???????? ………it was how the Bikes were parked …. North Americas Bikes are built to have the Kick stands on the Left hand side and in Japan they are mounted on the Right hand side ….. The Diligent Owner ALWAYS Starts up his Bike to warm it up before commencing …. CORRECT ! ……. while the engine is warming up the Owner is putting on his riding gear ….. the Bike is leaning on the kick stand warming up, opposite here than over there ….. as a result lower oil pressure feeding that side of the Engine because of Where the Oil-Pump pick up installed the same in all Engines ….

So Maybe Just Maybe there is a similar Occurrence Happening with these Onans mounted in a JD GT because We always run them on perfectly Flat terrain and Always WOT to maintain Max oil pressure ???? ……. Come to think of it, there is a good portion of our property that is slopped and I ALWAYS drove the 318 across ejecting the clippings to the down hill side …. my Rod that failed was on the High side of those slopes or if you like the left hand side of the Tractor Piston ……. Hmmm ??? …... JMHO …. GK
 
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