im goin nutz tryin to find the correct starter for this. ordered 2 and both had nose cones in wrong orientation but everyone insists its correct. now mines at fondy electric in fond du lac with a bad field but will sell me correct one for $150 which is twice the goin rate elsewhere. all my numbers r worn away since just cheesy stickers on them. how do i get the correct one at fair price?.....scot
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Hi, Don't know who you've tried to get one from so this may be totally useless information. If so, disregard. The JD PN for the starter is AM875014. Numerous hits on search engines when that number is put in but you mentioned you already tried two that didn't work. I just mentioned the field coil on JDPARTS because you said the field was the problem. You don't have to buy the whole starter from JD. At least the field coil is listed separately. As an alternative, did you try putting a request in the "want to buy" classifieds section of this site? Sorry I don't have a "pat answer". Good luck.
jd said couldnt get any starter parts but anyhoo wouldnt pay $150 for the winding considering price of whole new aftermarket. guess was hopin someone had already bought one from a specific company that is known to be a direct bolt on and i could just get one from same place?......scot
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Scott, I suspect that the starters that you had would work if you use your nose cone. I noticed this difference on my Yanmar in the 332 and the one in the 322 so I swapped parts to make the 322 work.
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really? well i left it to my mechanic and asked him that and said no! wrong barrel size or something. i didnt pay much attention but did look like maybe couldnt? just want a place someone has purchased a straight up replacement? SO u got one like i did but barrel was same size and swapped nose cones?.....scot
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If I remember I started to mount the 332 starter on the 322 but found the nose cone orientation to be different. THe 322 was missing the solenoid so I swapped the solenoid from the 332 to be able to crank the 322 engine. The starters looked to me like the only difference was the casting on the nose cone. I don't have the 322 here or I would give it a try. Dan
Sometimes you get what you PAY FOR, I bet the $80 starters are some cheap imported piece of dung... That's why the two you've gotten aren't assembled right.
I've dealt with Fondy Auto Elec. at their Madison shop for the last 10-12 yrs... not a whole lot, but have ALWAYS gotten my money's worth. I'd buy they're starter and be done with it.
I've had times in my professional Buying career where I couldn't "afford FREE, let alone Cheap".
I've dealt with Fondy Auto Elec. at their Madison shop for the last 10-12 yrs... not a whole lot, but have ALWAYS gotten my money's worth. I'd buy they're starter and be done with it.
I've had times in my professional Buying career where I couldn't "afford FREE, let alone Cheap".
Dennis, your post prompts me to post a response in this thread. I find Scott's posts to be difficult to understand, but I think he is trying to tell us that he isn't going to pay for quality parts and thinks that he can get a whole aftermarket starter for cheap.
I went through the drill of having to find a new starter motor for the Kohler CV13 on my LT133. All I needed was a Bendix drive, but it turns out that Kohler obsoleted the starter I had, and repair parts were NLA. Alternatives were to buy a new configuration starter or a remanufactured from Deere, buy a Kohler starter from a Kohler vendor, or buy an aftermarket.
I soon learned that there are any number of vendors selling starters that claim to be "genuine Kohler" that are cheap Asian wannabes, and that plenty of people had bought one or more of these. They either did not work at all, or died very early. Also, many of those vendors declared "no returns of electrical parts," and refused to take back starters that were out-of-the-box defective. The real Kohler part was around $180-$200, and the JD remanufactured was $125 after returning a complete core. I gambled on the remanufactured, as JD gives it a good warranty. The starter I got looks brand new, and the new configuration works better than the old one did.
I went through the same research drill on a replacement starter for an Onan P218 for someone else, and quickly found the same story: cheap aftermarket units for under $100, and quality units for more like $250. The aftermarkets were smaller motors, and some had the wrong rotation and drive pinions to work at all on a P218, although the vendors claimed that they were for the JD tractor Onan.
My time is valuable, and a non-running tractor is worthless to me. I need reliable high-availability tools and machinery, and pay what it takes to get that. No Wal-Mart need apply.
Hank
I went through the drill of having to find a new starter motor for the Kohler CV13 on my LT133. All I needed was a Bendix drive, but it turns out that Kohler obsoleted the starter I had, and repair parts were NLA. Alternatives were to buy a new configuration starter or a remanufactured from Deere, buy a Kohler starter from a Kohler vendor, or buy an aftermarket.
I soon learned that there are any number of vendors selling starters that claim to be "genuine Kohler" that are cheap Asian wannabes, and that plenty of people had bought one or more of these. They either did not work at all, or died very early. Also, many of those vendors declared "no returns of electrical parts," and refused to take back starters that were out-of-the-box defective. The real Kohler part was around $180-$200, and the JD remanufactured was $125 after returning a complete core. I gambled on the remanufactured, as JD gives it a good warranty. The starter I got looks brand new, and the new configuration works better than the old one did.
I went through the same research drill on a replacement starter for an Onan P218 for someone else, and quickly found the same story: cheap aftermarket units for under $100, and quality units for more like $250. The aftermarkets were smaller motors, and some had the wrong rotation and drive pinions to work at all on a P218, although the vendors claimed that they were for the JD tractor Onan.
My time is valuable, and a non-running tractor is worthless to me. I need reliable high-availability tools and machinery, and pay what it takes to get that. No Wal-Mart need apply.
Hank
"I soon learned that there are any number of vendors selling starters that claim to be "genuine Kohler" that are cheap Asian wannabes..."
I had the same lesson with a "Kohler" ignition coil I bought for a K321. It lasted 60 minutes. After which I spent a week with snow piling up looking in the wrong places for the ignition problem because surely a new coil wouldn't be the culprit. I am learning a lot.
I had the same lesson with a "Kohler" ignition coil I bought for a K321. It lasted 60 minutes. After which I spent a week with snow piling up looking in the wrong places for the ignition problem because surely a new coil wouldn't be the culprit. I am learning a lot.
322 vs. 332 starters
I also had to order several new starters to finally find one that fits. Here are my findings in case somebody else needs a replacement.
I believe what happened was that Deere originally used the Denso starters on these tractors. The Denso does not have a cone and can be mounted in any orientation.
When Deere switched to Hitachi starters, the original part number (AM875014) turned into two, one for the 3TN66 (AM878176) and one for the 3TG66 (AM878168). But the parts system did not account for one part splitting into two different and incompatible ones. Deere still lists AM878176 as the correct replacement part for the 322. And it does not work.
This replacement part number discrepancy has also migrated over to 3rd party vendors that used jdparts to determine which Deere products their replacements fit. So when one searches for 322 starter on the internet, several entries will pop up. But they are all for the diesel engine and not the gasoline ditto.
So here are my notes wrt. compatible starters:
322 / 3TG66 starters:
332 / 3TN66 starters:
I also had to order several new starters to finally find one that fits. Here are my findings in case somebody else needs a replacement.
I believe what happened was that Deere originally used the Denso starters on these tractors. The Denso does not have a cone and can be mounted in any orientation.
When Deere switched to Hitachi starters, the original part number (AM875014) turned into two, one for the 3TN66 (AM878176) and one for the 3TG66 (AM878168). But the parts system did not account for one part splitting into two different and incompatible ones. Deere still lists AM878176 as the correct replacement part for the 322. And it does not work.
This replacement part number discrepancy has also migrated over to 3rd party vendors that used jdparts to determine which Deere products their replacements fit. So when one searches for 322 starter on the internet, several entries will pop up. But they are all for the diesel engine and not the gasoline ditto.
So here are my notes wrt. compatible starters:
322 / 3TG66 starters:
- Deere AM878168
- Arrowhead SHI0129
- Hitachi S114-613
- Yanmar 124190-77010
- Yanmar 124190-77011
- DB Electrical 18318
332 / 3TN66 starters:
- Deere AM878176
- Arrowhead SHI0108
- Hitachi S114-443
- Hitachi S114-653
- Yanmar 119225-77010
- Yanmar 119225-77011
- Yanmar 119226-77010
- DB Electrical 18055
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This post from martinp needs to be a sticky or something.
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