Travis ... thanks. Got it out. I'd cut the short hoses on the lower back of the radiator, but kinda in the middle and they were getting hung up on the fan shroud. I got one off after cutting ... the other I had to cut back closer to the radiator. This is a parts tractor (was missing various engine parts already) and I didn't expect to sell those hose pieces. How would you get those on/off in one piece anyway? I unscrewed the valve on the drain and managed to wedge up & out. The frame is notched out for the drain valve to lift up past ... is it supposed to be? Mine doesn't look like a clean cut/half circle. I've got my own 430, but haven't had need to really get into yet. What if you have to replace PTO clutch, or just adjust the air gap ... does all this need to come out just to get to? Thanks, Bryan.