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CC 1200 to JD 140 Engine Swap

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When I got my grandfather's H1 140 last summer I put the 12 HP Kohler out of dad's old Ford LT120 in it so it was mobile and I could test the hydro system. You can see the blue tin in this pic. I intentionally left the engine dressed that way because I knew it would bug me enough to be actionable. And sure enough I'm doing something about it sooner than I might have otherwise. I'm treating this project the way I would if grandpa wanted me to deal with the busted block and get the tractor back into service for him. Not gonna be a restoration. Just an engine replacement. Never say never but I doubt I'll ever do more than that to it. Other than the engine swap, the 140 will be original to when he last used it. I feel like some of his DNA might still be on it.
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Grandpa mowed the highschool grounds with the 140 for several years before the balance gears exited through the side of the block. This pic shows the areas he did. It took a while with the 140. The brownish areas inside the track and the soccer field are grass too. This is an early spring pic so they must have a different kind of turf that hasn't greened up yet (?).
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Doesn't matter (to me) if the 140 has a K301 or a K321 in it when I'm done. It won't be the original engine anyway. I'm gonna keep the 14 HP Kohler with the hole in the block that was in it but no intention to repair/rebuild it. This CC 1200 12 HP Kohler was the lucky winner to replace it.
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I installed the 140 PTO clutch assembly on the K301 from the CC 1200 to make sure it would bolt on ok. It has the correct pulley diameter for a 140 deck. Haven't tested it yet other than connecting a 12V wire from a battery. It makes a clunk noise like it should when it engages so I'm pretty confident it's ok. Note the dipstick location. I could eliminate it with a pipe plug but there's no provision on the engine for a dipstick/tube anywhere else. It's a pretty scruffy looking engine at the moment. Won't be like that when I'm done though .
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I looked at putting my spare 14 HP Kohler in the 140 but the oil pan/engine block won't work. It's too bad because it's a really good motor. It was out of a Toro reel mower and was red to start with. It's black now.
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This would be a good golf cart engine if it wasn't so tall. The Honda/clones are half the height with the tank, muffler and air cleaner removed.
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The flywheel backing plate (or whatever it's called) cleaned up nice. I wish the whole engine had turned out this clean but cast iron doesn't do that. The flywheel is off because I'm swapping it for the flywheel from the 14 HP Kohler the 140 had in it. Doing that to get the correct bolt holes for the 140 driveshaft adapter. Both flywheels popped off easy using a simple 2 bolt puller.
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I was very patient removing the exhaust header from the K301 that's going in the 140. I have extracted broken header pipes from Kohler engines like this. Not something I enjoyed doing. There was no rush getting it out so what I did was chisel the pipe lock ring off first, then applied penetrating oil and let it sit for a day. Next I put a big thick bolt in the end of the header and kept tap-tap-tapping it with a hammer and squirting more WD40 around it periodically for a few days till it eventually started turning and came out. The 140 muffler is in pretty nice shape and I have the correct adapter for it so I should be good to go for the exhaust.
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I finished cleaning the engine up then put everything back on it for safekeeping till I can paint outside. I used a chemical stripper and coarse/medium steel wool. I know some guys don't like using paint stripper but it does the job for me. I have chemically stripped a lot of stuff over the years. Complete frames, transaxles, side panels, engine tin, etc. It's pretty messy sometimes but not enough to discourage me. No painting weather in the forecast for the next several days and maybe longer. That's ok. I have to pull the Ford Kohler out of the 140 yet anyway and there's a ton of other spring work to do and some of it isn't the fun kind.
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This is a 400 frame I stripped. Did the inside of it after this pic. It leaves a clean smooth surface. Sandblasting leaves a zillion little pits in the steel and rust will immediately and aggressively start eating the metal if it isn't painted right away or not enough paint is applied.
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This is the 140 the way I found it when I came home one day. It was on my brother's trailer. He had brought it from grandpa's farm and dropped it off without telling me I was getting it. That was a really good day.
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This was the view of the 140 I had one day sneaking up on grandpa when he was mowing at the school. I remember seeing the safety sign on the back of the seat just before I grabbed his ribs from behind. Scared the shlt out of him. I wouldn't have done it if I'd known what happened to him the week before. He had leaned over to pick up a pop can with the 140 running and fell off. The hydro lever got bumped into the go position and his pant leg got caught on the deck. It dragged him across the school yard, then across the street and into some lady's flowerbed. He was scraped up but uninjured otherwise. Grandpa was a beloved family member but also accident prone so that incident wasn't as surprising as it might have been. I inherited his calamity genes. :rolleyes::D
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Mice apparently like living inside flywheel covers. This one would likely be rated as a ghetto class domicile.
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Gave it one more coat of WD40 after this. I wire wheel them first then I'm very generous with the oil. They soak it up like sponge. Once it dries no additional rusting seems to occur.
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There were 3 carb gaskets on the 12 HP engine out of the CC 1200. So it apparently wasn't always a nice running little engine. Hopefully that isn't why it ran so good because I'm only gonna put 1 new gasket on it when the carb is re-installed.
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The dealer decal on the hood isn't the reason I don't want to do a resto on the 140 but it adds to the case for leaving it as is. I don't actually like how they stick them on willy nilly but in this case I don't mind. My uncle was a JD mechanic at the Dresden location and bought the 140 for grandpa with his employee discount. So it's part of its history and nostalgic factor.
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I have a CJ Perry and Sons decal on mine and the hood does need a paint so I'm looking into getting reproduction decals made. That dealership closed down in the wave of rationalizations I guess in the '90s
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Awesome job Army!
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Not much time to work on this yesterday. Today either. Par for the course this time of year. Always lots of spring work around the place. Lots and lots.

One thing I did get done was gathering together and labelling the K321 parts I'm not using from the 140 engine so I know where/what they're for later. I'm gonna clean up the 14 HP engine block first then put the leftover parts from it back on it for safe keeping. The best place to store spare engine parts is to leave them on the donor if possible. In this particular case there's no way I'll ever get rid of the original 140 engine, or anything else from the tractor. I'm not doing doing a full blown resto but the next guy might want to. I also have a cabinet crammed with JD parts though because it isn't always practical to keep a donor tractor or engine.

I can't wait to mow with the 140. There was a line in Field of Dreams that nicely sums up the nostalgia guys like us have for these tractors. "The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces". I have grandpa's model '71 Cub Cadet too. Needs new rings but it's in working condition otherwise. Grandpa put it out to pasture when he got the 140. Then years later my dad had it and now me. I can still hear grandpa's unique and pleasing laugh when I think about things he'd get a kick out of. Like the old 71 still being in the family. He'd have the same reaction seeing the 140.
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I goofed around one day and mocked up a 200 series grille on the 140. Too tall obviously. I was just wondering what it would look like. Not too bad really. It doesn't have a lower grille at the moment but I'm gonna find the correct one for a 140. There' a seller on FB right now who wants 400 bucks for the headlight version of the upper part. No rings or bulbs. He's selling them separately. About $700 total for everything incl actual metal trim rings. I have the non-headlight version and it's in pretty nice shape so I'm good.
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Yah my reaction too. He started out even higher but he's still priced more than he can likely get for an H3 upgrade and grille goodies. They aren't in demand as much as before. Can't find the ad now so maybe he sold them. If so, good for him. I'd be pretty happy about it if I was the seller (y).

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From what I understand about ebay's fee structure these days, he may of just been trying to cover costs. Lol.
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Is it pretty bad? I've never sold anything on eBay.
Its 15% fees plus tax’s and then you have to consider shipping, packaging ect. I just sold something for 1800 and received a little over 1400. The thing is it’s a worldwide audience. So inflate your price to cover costs to get what you actually want! 🤣
During the first years of this century I had pretty good luck selling restored antique outboard motors on SchmeeBay. Didn't have to sign up, buyers could pay with money orders and shipping was a circus. Bought a few that way too...I was constantly amazed at what some sellers thought was a proper box. The big brown truck guys were close relatives of the gorilla in the Samsonite commercial...wild times on the frontier!
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Lmao! Ya I’ve had saws come in a big box with 2 pieces of crumpled newspaper for decoration and busted up rear handles, top handles, recoils, hanging out of box 🤬
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One in particular I remember was a big guy...I had to look up to talk to him & I'm 6'3"...when he stepped on the big brown truck it swayed and groaned...off he'd go, with the driver's corner listing badly...probably no need for a jack on that rig.
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I wonder how that compares to real world in person auctions. Bought lots of stuff from eBay in the past but not much the last several years. I've kinda reached a saturation point and don't really need much these days, and Amazon has most items I'd look to eBay for. Don't really buy a lot there either though.
Its 15% fees plus tax’s and then you have to consider shipping, packaging ect. I just sold something for 1800 and received a little over 1400. The thing is it’s a worldwide audience. So inflate your price to cover costs to get what you actually want! 🤣
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