316 Onan sn:m00316x421701* wont start if you turn the key there is a box in front of the steering colum and behind the battery that clicks but no click from the starter power to starter from battery but none from other wires the purple wire has nothing neither does the little red wire from this little box with 5 or 6 wires coming out of it that is attached directly to the frame with a bolt and to the starter in front of the starter what is it
New to me 316 onan i need help
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that box clicks when you turn the key to start and there is 12.2 volts coming through the purple safety circuit wire but the starter does nothing even after i cleaned every electric connector i could find.
Thank you for all suggestions,
Dustin A.
Thank you for all suggestions,
Dustin A.
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Dustin,
The clicking is likely coming from the TDCM which is timing out (approx 1 second) from the time the key is turned to RUN until the relay opens in the TDCM if no operator is sensed to be in the seat by the seat safety switch.
The tractor should still crank and start even if the seat is empty IF the ground speed lever is in the neutral slot AND the PTO switches are all off... Here is the wiring excerpt:
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Verify that you have 12 volts at the key switch terminal S2 in the RUN position -- that will confirm all the starting interlock switches (your tractor is not new enough to have the parking brake switch.) If no voltage is present there check for good connections on the fuse holders -- your tractor is the older model with the glass cylinder fuses and plastic tube/spring contact holders and those are notoriously unreliable.
After that, if you do not get starter motor cranking even when voltage is present on S2 when you turn the key to START, then it may be the solenoid itself, the starter motor or its brushes, or even a bad key switch at the S2 to S1 connections or the mating connector at the key switch on the harness...
Here is a "roadmap" of where components are physically located on the 316 Onan and 318 tractors:
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I was having some difficulty following your descriptions in the first post of this thread due to missing punctuation, but I think that the five wire "cube" mounted near the starter is a relay providing the "starter improvement kit" function. If that is the case, then it should be wired like this diagram:
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...and physically look like this if it was done using the Deere AM107421 pre-wired kit.
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Hope this helps...I will send you some information too large to post here via e-mail.
Chuck
The clicking is likely coming from the TDCM which is timing out (approx 1 second) from the time the key is turned to RUN until the relay opens in the TDCM if no operator is sensed to be in the seat by the seat safety switch.
The tractor should still crank and start even if the seat is empty IF the ground speed lever is in the neutral slot AND the PTO switches are all off... Here is the wiring excerpt:
Verify that you have 12 volts at the key switch terminal S2 in the RUN position -- that will confirm all the starting interlock switches (your tractor is not new enough to have the parking brake switch.) If no voltage is present there check for good connections on the fuse holders -- your tractor is the older model with the glass cylinder fuses and plastic tube/spring contact holders and those are notoriously unreliable.
After that, if you do not get starter motor cranking even when voltage is present on S2 when you turn the key to START, then it may be the solenoid itself, the starter motor or its brushes, or even a bad key switch at the S2 to S1 connections or the mating connector at the key switch on the harness...
Here is a "roadmap" of where components are physically located on the 316 Onan and 318 tractors:
I was having some difficulty following your descriptions in the first post of this thread due to missing punctuation, but I think that the five wire "cube" mounted near the starter is a relay providing the "starter improvement kit" function. If that is the case, then it should be wired like this diagram:
...and physically look like this if it was done using the Deere AM107421 pre-wired kit.
Hope this helps...I will send you some information too large to post here via e-mail.
Chuck
i have that improvement kit which was installed by the prior owner as i said i cleaned all connections and checked fuses have power every where the relay in the improvement kit clicks when key is turned to start but the starter does nothing dad and i used a screw driver to jump the terminals on the solenoid but nothing but a few sparks happened i think it is the starter so to morrow after work and lunch i will be pulling the engine to mess with the starter.
Thanks,
Dustin
also my seat has no safety switch in it.
Thanks,
Dustin
also my seat has no safety switch in it.
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Dustin,
Here is what the seat safety circuit should look like as part of the ignition system (there is much more detail in the e-mailed files I sent...)
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It also is part of the PTO wiring so some of the below is common with the first diagram...
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Keep us posted on what you find about the starter.
Chuck
Here is what the seat safety circuit should look like as part of the ignition system (there is much more detail in the e-mailed files I sent...)
It also is part of the PTO wiring so some of the below is common with the first diagram...
Keep us posted on what you find about the starter.
Chuck
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Yes...sorry but that is the best way to not damage anything and it will give you a chance to take all the engine tins off and clean everything up in the way of debris that might be stuck in the fins and adversely impacting the cooling air flow.
This engine is heavy -- I always use a hoist.
Chuck
This engine is heavy -- I always use a hoist.
Chuck
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