[hel2002002yahoocom]

Hi All,
I finally got around to installing this kit on my 318 with B43G Onan engine, but it did not work right, the engine started up but it ran really rough especially at high RPMs.
I connected the red wire to the negative side of the coil, the black wire where the condenser used to be and the green one to ground. I also put in a new set of NGK spark plugs. I did not adjust the points, (the tractor was working fine before so I figured it didn't need to), so what else could be wrong?
I appreciate your input.
Thanks,
Henry.

 

[woodpecker41]

You should adjust the points and really put in new ones for it to work right. It tells you that in the instructions. Are you sure the spark plugs are the right ones for your engine and were they gapped right, If you then still have problems I would contact David Kirk before complaining here. Roger

 

[hel2002002yahoocom]

Hey Roger, this is not a complain, it's just an inquiry about how to troubleshoot or to see if someone else has have the same issue and how to correct it. Isn't this the purpose of this forum?
Anyway I went back to the old condenser and points and it's running fine again.
Thanks.

 

[david_a_calkins]

Henry ,you should talk to David about this .he is very easy toodeal with ,and he would want to know ,i have used his point saver a number of times over the years and never had a problem .i was tired of changed points in my 214 and .the hard starting .gave him a shot ,David

 

[knottyrope]

when using the point save did you check the timing?

 

[akaothermick]

Its quite possible you HT spark plugs leads are marginal, the ignition with the point saver would be putting out the maximum and less than perfect leads could start breaking down, but without a new set of points and a check of the timing its a guessing game

 

[hel2002002yahoocom]

I was thinking that since the engine was running fine the timing was correct and that the points were fine too. I did check them out and they looked OK. Anyway I will put new points and reset the timing, thanks guys, and again this not a complain just and observation.
Sorry for the inconvenience that this may have caused.

Henry.

 

[wmgeorge]

Henry its funny that anyone would consider it a complaint. Seems like there are certain venders on here that have followers and the Points Saver guy is one.
I would consider it just a question and wondering if you installed it correctly?
If it was running fine before the install, you'd think it would be the same afterwards.
Frankly if the system was designed for X number of volts on the HV leads I don't see how it could be anymore with the points saver unless you have also replaced the coil?

But what do I know, just been a controls electrician (among other trades) for the past 55 years.

 

[hel2002002yahoocom]

Bill, I agree with you. As far as the installation it was just like the instructions said.
1) Take condenser out
2) black wire to points
3) red wire to negative side of coil
4) green wire to good ground
I also put 2 new NGK spark plugs.
I'm going to get a new set of points and re-time it to give it another shot.

Thanks.

 

[wmgeorge]

Henry I think the reason for the new points is if the old ones are pitted they can't be set with a feeler gauge all that well. New ones can and once you get them set the timing should be right on. I have the "P" series engine so points saver is not needed. But I can see where they would be a very useful addition to any JD with points.
As I understand its a one time deal and your done with Ign problems... at least related to points.

 

[woodpecker41]

Bill my only comment about being done at least with a Kohler is the points push rod wears shorter. I have one of the first 25 points savers made on my 214 and that has happen to me once after 6 or 7 years of use. Of course it happened in the middle of winter with the snow blower and cab on my 214. I will say the points didn't look like they had been used at that point. With the blower on and 20 degrees out I was at best not real happy but it was an easy but time consuming. None of this is David's fault just something that can happen. I currently have 3 Kohlers and one Tecumseh with points savers on them. Roger

 

[akaothermick]

Bill, I believe I did not infer that the HT output would increase beyond the standard voltage, but if the carbon string HT leads were breaking down the possibility of higher than standard resistance or subsequent tracking could occur, sorry I was not clear,

 

[letienne]

I installed the Point Saver on my 318 with the B43G engine when the engine wasn't running very good at all. The Point Saver made the engine run great. I found that the points were pitted so badly that the resistance across the points varied from 0 ohms to about 10 ohms when the points closed. The Point Saver didn't care about the higher resistance. When you take off the points cover, you may find a capacitor under the cover. My J D dealer expected to have a capacitor under the cover. When I picked up my new points from John Deere, found that the new points would not adjust properly. The points were thicker. I had to remove the old spring from old points and install on the new points to allow the proper adjustment range.

 

[Hammerdown-7]

Hi Henry
Kirk recommends replacing the Point's when Placing his Point's saver Moduel. I would do that and gap them to 0.019" before going any Further with it. Regards, Kurt