[skidd041]

Just ordered some HDAP`s for my 400 and wondering if I should install tubes or not if I`m going to put the fluid back in them. They have tubes now but wondering if they are a must or what every ones feedback is....If I`m going with tubes I`ll purchase new ones as well..

 

[JDF/ SwampFox]

I don't use tubes in my loaded 12x12x26 tires on my 322. Wiper fluid.
It may rust the inside of the wheels but I'll be dead by the time it becomes a problem.

Of you have tubes and want the hassle of using them then yes, use tubes.

 

[captaindan]

Tubes cam be a help. I vacuum the air out of them and then use a garden sprayer to pump the fluid in. When I have the correct amount I just top off with air. I have also accomplished it with tubeless but you have to keep letting the air pressure out while adding the fluid.

 

[Hammerdown-7]

Hello Steve
The few time's we have had Wet snow here in East Tennessee I have Gotten by with Just wheel weight's and my Bar Tire's on my 1983 John Deere 318. It has Excellent Traction for Pushing leaving behind the asphalt Drive way cleaned down to it clearly. Regards, Kurt

 

[KB]

Steve, I'm going on 1 year with wiper fluid, no tubes, and no issues.

as far as bleeding air while filling, you can put a wd40 straw through the side of the fill tube, to work as an air purge.

 

[dr_evil]

I firmly believe that ANY tire that runs less than 20-25 MPH should have an inner tube in it, Even if just filled with compressed air.

With fluid, whether WWF, CaCl, Beet juice, or methanol, then tubes are mandatory.

 

[rapshee]

I'm going on two years with wiper fluid in stock goodyear bars without tubes. If your worried about your great grandchildren still using the wheels when they are 30-40 then use tubes. I'm not worried about that cuz my Deere is going in the hole with me.

 

[mkos1980]

3 years with no tubes...

 

[JDF/ SwampFox]

Once you put the new tire on a rim (hopefully a well painted rim) and fill it with a non corrosive fluid (wiper fluid), It will be years before you have to take them off for new tires unless you spin on pavement a lot. Without tubes in the tire there very well may be rusting inside but a good drill and wire brush will take care of it. I didn't want tubes just for the fact that it's a hassle to fill 11 gallons into a 12x12x26 tire with tubes.
The easiest way to fill the tubeless tire is to mount tire, seal both beads with air (50 lbs), release air and lay flat on side, break the bead open on the side the tire stem is on, fill the tire with fluid, then re-inflate sealing the bead again. That's the fastest way. I didn't dream this up, I read it on here some time ago and it worked great.
Here's something else I did to my 322 rear wheels. I drilled another air stem hole on the opposite side of the wheel so now it doesn't matter which way I have my wheels mounted wide or narrow stance, there is always an air stem available even when the weights are on.

 

[skidd041]

Thanks guys I think I've decided on tubes Next question. What psi do you run your loaded tires at

 

[KB]

the same as I did without.

8 psi in the summer, max recommended pressure in the winter

 

[akaothermick]

My 89 318 had tubes installed and filled with Calcium on delivery to the original owner, and it's still in there and no corrosion evident so the tubes definitely do the job, those wheels are certainly heavy, its a quite a chore just to get things lined up to put them back on. Though I did make a line up lug to help.

 

[JDF/ SwampFox]

Just a few shots of air to take the low tire look out.

 

[425and300jd]

Mick,
A line up stud sure makes it easier to put loaded and unloaded tires/wheels back on.

 

[dhager4692]

What size is that bolt with the head ground off?

 

[dhager4692]

By the way, I have loaded tires with antifreeze for 6+ years. The 318 tractor and 44 loader came from Wisconsin that way. The only problem I have had was when I punctured the tire. A plug has held two years now. I need better tires on it.

 

[tommyhawk]

Several years ago I replaced the rusted, marred lug bolts on the 112 with shiny new ones. Old ones went in the "not to throw away scrap" pile. Eventually that same idea came along and I turned the head off a couple of them and hack sawed a slot in the tapered end.
Made some to give to friends. Most helpful for loaded tires but mighty handy on unloaded ones as well. Maybe you have some in your keeper pile, Douglas.
My '80 317 has had calcium chloride, without tubes, since before I got it in 1990. No problems yet, but someday....

tommyhawk

 

[420glh]

Here's a better question, how do you fill the tubes if you dont have a pump strong enough to expand the tube inside the tire? The issue I'm running into is the HDAPs I got from Miller, the beads are too close together. When I tried getting the beads to seat, they were too close together for even a cheetah to fill them.

So I installed tubes to seat the beads. Now I cant fill the tire with fluid because the pump I have cant expand the tube to fill the inside of the tire.

Anyone else run into this?

 

[JDF/ SwampFox]

Nope

 

[knottyrope]

nick, push the valve stem in to remove the air as you fill it