[screwdriver]

I am trying to get my 420 set up with a 44 Loader and I would like to get some ideas on the amount of weight to put on the rear for counter balance. It will be used for general loader work, no snow. I have 26x12x12 tires with 60lb each wheel weights. I also have a 3pt hitch and could add weight to a weight bar or box. One concern I have is a large amount of weight riding on the lift cylinder, will that damage the cylinder or lines. Would it damage the rockshaft to add a bar or chain from the end of each lift arm to the rockshaft where the top link attaches that would support the weight. Probably the best thing to do would be to weight the wheels more, I really don't want to add fluid in the tires so how much weight could I safely add to each wheel without damage to the rims or hubs.. Let me know what your idea would be

 

[knottyrope]

you can add 75 lb starters and stack on 2 more 50s but with the second one it will stick out a little bit

filling tires will get you around 130 on each tire

there are 3 point adapters to suitcase weights and you can set the height so the cylinder is bottomed out which wont hurt the lines at all

 

[knottyrope]

see pics in this thread

http://www.wfmachines.com/discus/messages/335/275665.html

 

[chuckv]

Jerrel,

Here are the limits from the operator's manual:

Here are some pictures of front and rear weight configurations from that same manual...

Chuck

 

[screwdriver]

So according to John Deere I can safely hang 250lbs on the 3pt hitch and place 130lbs on each tire. Knotty I had forgotten about the height adjustment, that should take the load off the cylinder Reading some of the threads and looking at the photos it would seem that those weights can be exceeded slightly, hopefully without damage to the tractor

 

[420glh]

Out of curiosity, how would one hang 1800lbs off the back of a 420? That I'd like to see in the wild.

 

[gzec]

A trailer?

 

[knottyrope]

you don't hang 1800 lbs on it, its the max rear wheel weight including tractor

wheel weights and filled tires don't really count as they are supported by the tires

 

[1966JD110RF]

The last thing you want to do is skimp on rear ballast. If you pick up a heavy load in the FEL bucket and the rear end lifts off the ground, all the weight of your tractor, FEL, load in FEL, and ballast will be on the front axle. Also, you'll lose your brakes.

You are going to want as much weight as possible on the 3PH. If you can find a weight box, or weight bracket, that will take 8+ suitcase weights or the equivalent mass, it won't be too much. And anything extra you can add to the wheels will be helpful too.

The weight configuration I will use with the Johnson loader on my 140 is as follows:

- ballasted tires (75 lbs each) = 150
- wheel weights (55 lbs each) = 110 lbs
- 3PH = 50+ lbs
- Cat 0 Heavy Hitch = 35 lbs
- 6 suitcase weights = 252 lbs

Total = +/- 600 lbs rear weight

 

[coalminer16]

If you do a wheelie-then you have around 1000 lbs on the rear axle. At rest-1/2 the tractors weight is on the rear axle. If you put weight behind the axle it balances more of the front weight to the back axle so it multiplies the effect. But-a loader up front pulls weight off the axle.

Throw a backhoe on the rear of these and that quickly moves a LOT of weight to the rear.

 

[screwdriver]

OK Travis I see what you are saying. Tire weights will only give you traction and hold the rear end down but weight on the 3pt will do that and also take weight off the front

 

[jlang]

I have plenty of weights added to my 318 loader tractor. Total weight of the tractor plus loader and weights is over 2100 lb. It works great!