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JD 314, K321 Won't Throttle Up

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Need help with ideas why my K321 will idle great but will not throttle up past idle. When throttle moved, it simply wants to stall and occasionally fires, but will not sustain any high RPM. It started doing this so I've done the following over the past few weeks:
Replaced points (twice) set at .020" (ran with cover off points, nice white spark visible)
Replaced condenser (twice)
Replaced coil (twice)
Replaced spark plug (three times)
Replaced spark plug wire
Cleaned carb and adjusted to factory needle settings (float looks good)
Replaced carb (Amazon Chinese)
Checked valve adjustment (OK)
Checked Automatic Compression Release to be sure it was working correctly

I was getting some backfiring, so pulled head - had oil wash on piston (it uses oil but no gray smoke) an it looked like small leak on part of head gasket. Inspected valve seats/faces which look good. I put some oil on valves to see if they leaked, which sat over night with no leakage. Cylinder walls have no ridges at all.

After new head gasket, still won't throttle up anything over idle.

A week later, I pulled head again to better inspect valves, and found a lot of oil on top of piston - see photo
I had started to run Valvoline Restore and Protect oil in engine (5W-30) to see if it would help clean piston rings and help with oil burn. After seeing the oil, changed out to a 30W oil. Started and not change.

When trying to throttle up, sometimes liquid (not sure gas or oil) will blow back through the carb. I have jabbed throttle and it wants to throttle up, but it bucks, misfires and will not run smooth. Feels like electrical or carb flooding.

Other note is a few months ago I replaced the fuel pump diaphragm (from I Save Tractors) so maybe the diaphragm has a leak and is gas diluting the oil?

I have a leak down tester ordered and will check it with that soon.

Frustrated because I still don't know if it's an electrical or fuel or compression issue.

Any recommendations you have would be appreciated. I get the feeling I've overlooked something but not sure what...

Thanks/
 

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I’ve had points at .012 and .030. I think it is critical. It determines the exact time the engine fires. If your problem is erratic it’s not points. If it runs poorly and it’s consistent it won’t hurt to check. All your doing is checking continuity with the timing mark on your flywheel through the little window. Not the tdc mark, the mark that’s like 17 degrees before tdc. Highlight it with a paint pen. If you can’t find it use a screwdriver carefully to find the piston tdc when both valves are closed. If it’s not at tdc rotate a full rotation and look again. You’ll see the mark. Then back up 17 degrees you’ll see another mark. When that mark aligns with the mark on the case the points should open. Exactly then. If it’s off adjust it till you get it exact. Ignore the gap. Once you have perfect you can check for s&g’s but that’s how you do it.
 
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Interesting...thanks for sharing. I bought a leak down tester and will use it after re-setting the points. It feels like a timing/ignition issue. Setting gaps not so easy in 314 chassis, bit will give it my best.

Has anyone cut a larger "window" to aid in viewing timing mark? Thought occured to me may make it easier. Thanks/
 
#10 ·
Interesting...thanks for sharing. I bought a leak down tester and will use it after re-setting the points. It feels like a timing/ignition issue. Setting gaps not so easy in 314 chassis, bit will give it my best.


Has anyone cut a larger "window" to aid in viewing timing mark? Thought occured to me may make it easier. Thanks/
Good news is i can find both marks
 
#11 ·
Worked on tractor setting points with a meter (measures about .0185), no change In running.
Performed leak down test, at 75 psi input pressure has a 20% leak rate, with no air leak noise in carb or muffler - seems all rings (pulled dipstick and can hear air leaking). No suprise since it uses oil.

To eliminate bad fuel, ran a hose from fuel pump input to a gas can. I also removed hose from the carb to purge old gas from the pump. But, when cranking engine over with the starter, every once in a while fuel would blow back into the fuel can. Fuel always looks airated in the clear fuel filter. Pulled pump apart and tried to clean the pump check valves. I replaced fuel pump diaphragm a few months ago, and reassembled. No change. But noe sure what pump does when running.

question now is could the high crankcase pressure from blow-by cause issues with the pump diaphragm…like keep it from pumping?

when running and you jab the throttle engine stumples…seems almost like starving for fuel. Plug is noe wet when its pulled.

looking for thoughts on fuel pump possible cause and impact on pump operation due to high crankcase pressure. Thanks in advance.
 
#13 ·
when running and you jab the throttle engine stumples…seems almost like starving for fuel. Plug is noe wet when its pulled.
These small engines do not have an accelerator pump like the old cars and trucks. So that stumble is norm as fuel mixture changes to match RPM and throttle plate opening.
 
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when I am able to get it run at a higher RPM it will not smooth out…it hunts and often backfires. When i try to turn mower deck pto on, it stall. Under any load, it won’t run. If i return it toidle, it will run smooth.

Agree, thinking electric fuel pump would be a good test, any idea what pressure it should be to keep carb from flooding?

i also found one way check valves on Amazon, may try installing one in the Input hose To keep fuel from being pushed back to the tank.

thinking back on running issues over the past year, im thinking were on to something…

thanks